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we went to oakland and asked people on the street, people who claim to be warriors fans about a bunch of fake players, fake strategies and other fake stuff we made up. ♪ do you think the cavs losing disdain will help the one direction defense? >> i don't think so. >> not at all? >> not at all. >> do you think the warriors are going to start elron hubbard? >> no. not in my personal opinion. >> why is that? >> he doesn't do well under pressure. >> lebron is changing his name to michael jordan. what was your reaction to that news? >> i was surprised. i thought he wanted to stay lebron. >> do you think it's a good idea to change his name to michael jordan? >> marketing, yeah. >> yeah. >> good morning, everybody. >> it's all about marketing. >> that's a good bit. >> that is a good bit.
elron hubbard cracks under pressure every time. >> amazing. power forward. very good in the paint but cracks under pressure. sometimes misses the easy lay-up. >> disappears in big games. a track record. >> don't pass me the ball. don't pass me the ball. how are you doing? >> i'm okay. how are you? >> i'm doing great. >> okay. >> good. >> you were in the park last night. >> shakespeare in the park. >> how was that? >> absolutely wonderful. i've never been. it was incredible. >> was it really? >> and my daughter loved it. she's 19. i thought she would be really bored. she loved it. yeah. there was the guy from modern family playing in the -- yeah. >> after all these years loves to be called the guy in "modern family." >> jesse tyler ferguson. he was fantastic. >> yeah. >> that's also -- you had a beautiful night. >> beautiful night. >> that is the experience. >> exquisite, lovely and to support the arts. had a little bit of a busy week.
>> you know mika is -- i once asked mika about star wars. you know she has something to say. >> don't say this. >> i got to. >> mika said i don't like -- i don't get star wars. that's like saying you don't get shakespeare. >> she said, i never really liked him. >> didn't like bill shakespeare? >> thought he was showy. >> did some performances in my time. >> yeah. >> you also asked the difference was once between "star wars" and "star trek." >> i still don't know. >> so sorry. i'm so sorry for america. no. i don't -- i don't understand "star wars" and "star trek" and i still don't know the difference. sorry. >> i wouldn't admit. that. >> okay. we begin overseas where hundreds more u.s. troops may be heading to iraq for the fight against ice yik. a senior obama administration
official tells nbc news that military advisors will help train iraqi forces to reclaim are a mad yishgs the city which is 70 miles from baghdad fell to isis last month. up to 500 additional trainers are being considered. right now the u.s. has about 3,000 troops in iraq. meanwhile, despite heavy fighting, forces are continuing to make gains against icy in the town of baji located on the road to mosul. isis is now in control of a key power plant in libya. officials say the conflict between rival militias is allowing isis to expand the reach in the country. so this is part of the debate. do we still try and get the iraqis to stand up for themselves? will trainers help? do we need to just go back in completely? >> i don't know. well trainers aren't going to help by themselves. you never know what's going to happen. a lot of people said that the surge with i guess 30,000 troops
wasn't going to be enough. most of the generals i talked to said it wasn't going to be enough. it ended up being enough. so it's hard to say. it just feels like the president is treading water. he does one half measure after another after another half measure. i'm not being critical of him expanding the troops in iraq. but he is doing it for political reasons because he once again slipped up yesterday and said dwoent don't have a strategy? or is he starting to unveil a bigger strategy. you know what? i'll put a few more troops in and get more headlines. there is no overarching sfrattrategy here. >> the this is a new strategy coming from centcom. they have to get inside anbar province and set up a base there and establish that they can take back ramadi and they can take
back mosul to the north there which they lost about a year ago. the question is, can that be done by adding 400 or a00hundred 500 advisors. you're not allowing american troops to do the things that they're good at doing. and are advisors enough to push the iraqi army along which hasn't shown the ability to win the fights. >> see, that's the question. is this in the end a jv team that's allowed to win 100-0 because nobody -- it's like the harlem globe trattrotters against the washington generals. >> those are the comments we talked about yesterday. can you really set it up? >> yeah. >> you cannot create you know something that we have. >> right. at the same time because we went in 2003 there's a massive void that has to be filled. and we can't fill it ourselves
but we can certainly help others fill it. i do think strategically focusing on anbar province is critical. because if you can control anbar province and turn it around like we saw happen in '07, '08, '09, then suddenly the kurds take control of their area and then you got the iranians in the shiite areas. i know that makes a lot of people freak out. i hate it myself. but if you're just talking about beating isis first, that's how you divide the map up strategically. you don't have to do it by sending in 50,000 troops. you have to focus by taking back anbar province. give the kurds a hell of a lot more than they're giving them. and you got to either make a deal with the dweflevil with iran or figure out another way forward
there. >> general dempsey was asked yesterday, does this open the door, perhaps, to more troops actual ground troops? and said tbd, to be determined. >> and you know what? that's very good that he's saying that. >> yeah. i also know what the argument would be if we went all in again. >> well again -- >> choices are not going. >> we're not talking about all in. it's this all or nothing thing that a lot of the president's supporters embrace. what he's saying we should go all in. we can't stick our head in the sand. >> let's turn to mckinney, texas, where the police officer captured on video pulling his gun on teenagers has now resigned. officer eric casebolt's actions while breaking up that pool party last weekend have now been viewed over 10 million times online. at a press conference, the mckinney police chief called his
behavior indefensible. >> eric casebolt has resigned from the mckinney police department department. as the chief of police, i want to say to our community that actions of casebolt as seen on the video of the disturbance at the community pool are indefensible. he came into the call out of control and as the video shows, was out of control during the incident. i had 12 officers on the scene and 11 of them performed according to their training. >> let's talk about that. because i think in this video this shows a new reality of policing in america that's been a real problem since ferguson. and that is 100 cops can do their job right. one cop goes as he said and as willie said into the scene out of control. >> yeah. >> and that's the cop that's viewed by 10 million and played like we're playing it right now. >> you know how that is fixed?
>> on news. they're gone within a week. that's how that's fixed. they're gone. they're fired, reassigned taken off the street and gone. the problem in ferguson is that it dragged out. >> well i mean there is -- actually, there is a much bigger problem in ferguson and the justice department correctly talked about that. you know what i'm saying is if you're a cop on street you're like going okay media, why don't we put cameras in every one of your executive offices and hear what is said? or okay when a doctor commits malpractice and kills somebody in the operating table, if we had cameras there, i guess that would be viewed 10 million times. oh damn i cut the wrong artery he's bleeding out. what i'm saying is you can have this in every profession. i'm not defending anything that's going on out there. i'm just saying these days if we want to know why cops are back on their heels, it's because as he said 11 cops did the right
thing. one cop who we don't know maybe he had a great career before this. one cop goes in hot. it's viewed 10 million times and now this morning people are waking up and they're watching clips going, boy, all cops are out of control. it's just not accurate. i think body cams help the good cops. but, boy it's a tough time to be a cop. and i'm talking about it's a tough time to be a good cop. >> it s we did see good cops in that video. we saw the two officers almost immediately when the officer casebolt pulled his gun move in behind him and -- >> dude, what are you doing? >> the other side of the argument is how many times like this something happen that we didn't see and then in a report of an officer maybe like one of these officers can say well this young woman this 15-year-old woman came at me charged me. you can make up a narrative, too, if there is no camera. >> totally. >> the camera thing cuts both ways. if we have body cameras, good for good cops not so good for
bad cops. i commend the mckinney police department for moving so quickly. they say he resigned but they pushed him out. >> boy, he was really -- he was straight forward. he did the right thing. >> yeah, there is no equivocation there. i think that helps a lot. let's go to upstate new york. this is so chilling. still on going. the search for two convicted murderers on the run. it's now been four days since the maximum security inmates were discovered missing from the prison. yesterday a tip led officers to willsboro, new york. heavily armed officers descended on a small town after getting a tip investigators say was directly related to the two inmates. but their search turned up nothing. now the nbc station in nearby platsburg, new york, is reporting that focus of the search has returned to danamora. a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation tells the buffalo news that matt
and swetat had access to the inner cat walks and passages for about a month leading up to their escape. a source tells the paper that a square section in the wall in at least one of their cells was cut open with a power saw allowing them ax sesccess to the inner workings at night. i don't know how they didn't hear that. >> as willie asked yesterday, at some point they used that power saw. when they use that power saw, where was everybody? >> joining us from new york nbc news correspondent stephanie goss being. what is the latest? >> amy, good morning. really good point. that power saw was extremely loud. the fact that no one heard it is more than just a little suspect. this morning law enforcement is saying they don't have any idea where these two guys are. they've been getting hundreds of tips. unwf the difficult things is trying to weed through all the tips and figure out which ones they should follow and which
ones they should ignore. yesterday they got a tip in that small town in willsboro that they felt needed their attention. they heard from somebody that they saw two men entering the woods. law enforcement went down there, circled the town. they did these grid searches. they were there for hours with canines, ultimately turning up nothing. at the center of this story is a prison worker here joyce mitchell, who worked in a tailor shop. she worked there for eight years. she work add long side her husband lyle. now we spoke to her son. police told us that his mother is a person of interest and that they questioned her but he says that there is absolutely no way she willingly helped these two convicts escape. he also told us that his parents called him on saturday night. that was the same day as the prison break and this is what they had to say. >> there's a report out there that your mom went to the emergency room with a panic attack. did that happen? >> yes.
she was, in fact in the hospital that evening. i don't know the exact details. i just know that she was having severe chest pains. she was concerned about that. >> a lot of people are saying she had a pan ache tack because she was supposed to help them and get in the car and she didn't and a lot of speculation. >> no. i mean my mom, she worries a lot about everything. especially with me. >> tobey says the public is rushing to judgment. >> people may say no matter what i wouldn't do that. well, when you're put in a situation where a family member is threatened or other family members might be threatened or at risk you do a lot of things that would protect your family. >> were there threats, tobey? >> i have no idea. >> he is worried for his parents safety with could two convicted killers on the run and insists the truth will soon come out. he says hasn't spoken to his parents since saturday night.
police have contacted him a couple of times asking about their whereabouts. he says he has no idea where they are. back to you. >> stephanie gosk thank you very much. unbelievable. zblin . >> incredible. the former assistant special agent in charge the joint fby nypd task force is us with. this is day four of the search. the radius grows large we are all those days. how does the strategy change for the men and women looking for these two guys? >> the longer this thing goes on, it shifts from more of a manhunt to a traditional fugitive investigation. you're going to be looking in the area for and following up on reports of persons sighting like there is somebody in the woods or backyard like they did yesterday. investigators will be going back looking at cell phone records allegedly. did these guys have access to a phone? who did they call? looking at visitor logs and kind of circling around their friends and associates and family and
trying to follow up on leads because these guys they had a plan. we know that they had access to the inner workings of the prison. they had a very successful plan. they were smart. they had access to power tools. it's all in likelihood maybe they have a cell phone with them. and they were able to call and get help. they could be in mexico as easily as near the woods near the prison. >> yeah. obviously. they can get access to power tools and the inner workings of the prison chances are good they didn't plan all that out right. you would be taking they didn't plan this out to get to the man hole cover and look at each other and say dude, what do we do next? >> i'm sure they did not have a single point of failure. if the car doesn't show up we take off on foot and running. in all likelihood they had a plan and they're in the process of executing that. now no plan is perfect. obviously if the car didn't show up that could have thrown a kink in it. but, you know if i had to
guess, it's not that these guys are just scrambling. i think they had a plan for assistance and that somebody multiple people maybe helping them. they may not be together. they could be separated one in one direction, one in the other. and that's going to complicate things for law enforcement. >> yeah. this doesn't sound like just one person inside helped them out, right? i mean we have assumed from the beginning that this had to be more than one person assisting. >> that would be my guess. in the end, i think there's no such thing as a perfect crime. i think with investigators, they will figure this out as it goes on. if i had to guess, i would say there were multiple people involved, not just this one prison worker but other people potentially on the inside and on the outside, family members, friends, associates. and we'll see. i think we will -- investigators will start unraveling this and
we'll get more information. as of now, who knows? >> thank you so much don. we always appreciate you being here, don borelli. this is the strangest thing, isn't it? >> i think there might be many people involved. >> there has to be. >> the power saw, again, the power saw. and these dudes are walking around inside the prison for like -- they have access. do they not have cameras in maximum security prisons? >> and we're cutting through metal by the way, too. only makes it sound greater. they had to have access to power to get the tools going. they had to know the blueprint of the prison, where the steam pipes were where to get in and out. i would also wonder about the communications. are communications monitored well enough inside the prison? if they're talking to somebody and says we're doing this on this day at this time meet us at this man hole cover, there's got to be some record of all that. >> man. all right. still ahead on "morning joe,"
presidential candidate lincoln chafee joins us on set. >> i'm going to be asking him about that. >> boy, i'll tell what you, too. this just seems really transparent to me. you know i heard from the very beginning well you know jeb is not worried about marco because they know all of the dirt on marco and everything. and we hear jeb's people are kind of panicking and they change out people at the top. >> only problem is -- >> but here's the thing. now suddenly we start having all of these stories at the same time leaking. this is so transparent. we're going to change campaign managers and start leaking the stuff. but they're leaking it in the summer of 2015. go ahead and say what you're saying, i agree. >> the story is the story of like the family. >> it helps marco. >> i don't -- >> yes. he struggled. he struggled.
>> i haven't said the nicest things about him but this is ridiculous ridiculous. >> every leaked story where they're trying to hurt marco -- >> that stuff is coming from jeb? >> i don't know if it comes from jeb or not. i'll just tell you some of jeb's people are really close to jeb told me early on don't worry about marco. he has all this stuff and when the time comes -- >> this is a tease now. >> we've got the stuff on him. they told me that like four or five months ago. they changed campaign managers and then parking tickets get leaked to "the times." and then this gets leaked to "the times"? >> let me just say if, that's the best they got on marco rubio, he's going to be okay. >> we're going to talk about this even more when we come back on "morning joe." how do you get to the top of your game? give it everything you've got and leave those sticky sunscreens behind.
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now that i've seen the globe, i've changed my mind. it's new money. >> it's a 240 foot lot. >> i think i saw that vote on "entourage." >> it's a 24 foot fishing boat that -- i mean -- >> there it is. >> what do they call this in "the times"? >> front page above the fold is called a luxury speed boat. >> okay. it's a great boat. >> great boat. >> amy? >> "the new york times" is discrediting themselves with this story as people who never gone fishing. i mean to call that boat a luxury speed boat is absurd. i love fishing. that kind of boat -- >> you love fishing. >> i do. >> you would love that boat? >> i do. anybody that loves fishing would love that boat. no fisherman in america would call that a "luxury." that's what you get to load your family up and go out fishing if you live if a place like i
don't know -- >> america. >> miami. >> how could he have wasted all of that money, willie when they don't -- miami. it's just like in "spinal tap," boston is not a college town. miami isn't a fishing town. >> no. you did see. that you say it's funny. >> i don't think there is a lot of deep sea fishing at the "new york times." if you call the luxury speed boat, it makes people think he's on a yacht owned by some other candidates. >> by the way, anybody that's ever lived in florida and bought a boat knows that you can buy it over like 20 years. >> yeah. so maybe -- i don't know what his payments are. they could be $ahundred500. >> i think candidates finances are fair game. >> i'd like to shoate boatw the boat one more time. >> what's the headline willie?
>> rubio career bedevilled by financial struggles. >> and they say by this purchase -- >> of course he is running against a guy who grew up on walker point in maine. i don't know if anybody's seen this. again, i -- we'll talk about this later. but if this is all "the new york times" and marco oes opponents have on marco, marco is doing pretty well right now. >> yikes. >> in berlin yesterday, former florida governor jeb bush had tough words for russian president whose aggression he denounced. bush was asked about the comments and whether his rhetoric might go too far. >> he's all powerful in russia. but i guess my point was that we don't want to make it sound like we're against russia. ultimately russia needs to be a european country. and ultimately, i think as the deal with putin, you need to deal from strength. he's a bully. and bullies don't, you know you
enable bad behavior when you're nuanced with a guy like. that i'm not talking about that but here are the consequences of your action. that would deter the kind of bad outcome that we don't want to see. i don't think we want to isolate russia to the point where we push them into the arms of china. >> a lot of things that raise a lot of eyebrows. >> joining us from berlin nbc news -- >> we'll get back to marco. >> we are. they're talking. >> senior white house correspondent chris jansing. what was the reaction to the governor's speech? >> i think it was overall pretty positive. he had a standing room only crowd of what looked to me to be predicted 1,000, maybe more people. but i also think it's really telling that in this speech that was a lot about the example that germany sets with the economy and vladimir putt inin and what should be done in the baltics
and the best ovation he goes is when he mentioned his dad. let's not kid ourselves, he's also not here to win over the german voting public. he is sending a message back home. he keeps using the word more robust response. what i read is it's easy to criticize what's going on to offer specifics about what you would do differently is more -- is harder. and when he was pushed today, there was a little impromptu news conference about some of the specifics. he said look i'm not here to offer a five point plan. i'm here to listen and learn. you do get this sense of a campaign trying to find its footing. i met one of the new young foreign policy advisors that is a very young team traveling with him here. then you have the shake-up at the top of his campaign where he's replacing, you know a week before he's officially going to announce his campaign manager. i asked him about it yesterday. he didn't want to talk about it. he said everything was fine.
he gave a little longer answer this morning. this is what he said about it. >> you know you have real focus on four states in february. then you have an avalanche of states, i'm sorry, avalanche of states after that and you think about how to organize all that. it's hard to imagine this but i don't read the clips. i kind of know what my job s it's to develop a message that's hopeful and optimistic about the future of the country, to develop ideas that will get people a sense that they can lift up and tell them about my leadership skills to make it so. i am confident that team in place will do their job and i got to do my job as well. i don't read the polls. polls are, you know it's fun to see them when you're winning, not so fun when you're not. it doesn't really matter though. it's june for crying out loud. we have a long way to go. >> but he also said this is about, you know the magnitude of the journey which seems to be daunting on him and his campaign team. yeah it's a long time until
election day. you realize it's only a couple months until that first republican debate. so he is now in a meeting with some business leaders. he's going to meet with the finance minister and then head on to poland a little later on today, joe and mika. >> chris jansing, thank you very much. >> i think if the goal was to make himself look presidential over there and to go to a place where he'll get a warm reception, i think the visuals look g he looks like a president. that matters to americans. it's something that marco will have to grow into. >> yes. >> i think -- >> that's the real problem. >> i think that's a challenge for him. but, you know i got to say, people are going to be scratching and clawing at jeb for a long time. i'm sorry. i know i'm going to upset some people. i think he's a prohibitive favorite to win the nomination and we're about to tear him up here in a second when we talk about marco. and i also think that he's
easily got the best chance to beat hillary of any republican out there. >> that may be. by his own admissions he said look it's still way too early. to your point about looking presidential and drawing that contrast between himself and marco rubio, he is drawing a contrast between himself and president obama which the conservative hawkish wing of the republican party likes and that's where he has his most trouble. he is burnishing his image within the republican party with this. >> let's go right now -- so -- >> i just think the thing he did yesterday that was smart, i think, was to give -- i think he'll get hammered by republicans for not being harsh enough to putin. it was a relatively moderate mainstream republican speech. he doesn't talk about his brother. he had a relatively nuanced line on russia and talked about the alliances, portrayed himself as a unilateralist. i think the speech was designed to reassure people if the way that you suggested, i don't think he is the prohibitive favorite to be the republican
nominee. he did himself a lot of good-bye not seeming -- by going to a place where the bush name is not popular and coming across in a statesman like way. >> i need to check. i don't know the odds are, you know all the british betting services right now. but if like jeb's like a 5-1, you know i may put any $17.34 that they pay me every month here on jeb. >> i wouldn't say that -- there is a difference between being the smartest bet like the likeliest and being the prohibitive favorite. right? the polling is just really daunting for him. you look at the early states. you look at the problems he has with large parts of the base. you look at the number of republicans that want no part of him. it's not like there is -- it's not like he's -- >> it is actually set up best for him if it were jeb versus two people. he'd be in trouble. jeb versus 20 people. if i were going to jeb a year ago, do you want 20 people? do you want everybody in? and there is a lot of scratch
and clawing and screaming and yelling and everybody pointing at you and attacking you and guess, what jeb, you're never going to get 45% in iowa or new hampshire. but you'll get mitt romney's 30 pez. if do you that you'll win by five or six points. >> if you look at the gop nominating history that these moderate ends up getting the nomination. recently, at least. they struggle in the beginning. mitt romney in 2012 john mccain was not the conservative favorite. near the end of that primary, conservatives were trying to knock him out. >> here's the difference between romney and mccain versus jeb bush. you could look back to their record and you can see that john mccain had a long history of getting the sharpest stick he could and sticking it in conservative's eyes and being condescending and saying, you know, i'm the grown-up republican here. and you could do the same thing with mitt romney's record would cause concern with conservatives. go back and look at jeb's record when he was governor for eight
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let's go back to the "new york times" piece on marco rubio. yeah, there is some stuff in there that might cause some people some concerns. i would just say for americans not born with the a trust fund which is everybody around this table, i joke you about going to the south of france. >> yes do you. >> people don't realize that your family did not have money. but for any of us i mean willie, god, i could go back to decisions i made in my 20s and even my 30s, take a picture of places i lived. i mean i was struggling economically until i was like 45. i think all of us have stories of things that -- right? and so i don't know. is this an issue in an america that is struggling with credit
card debt and -- >> i this a lot of people will be able to relate to the struggles. john points out if you read throughout whole piece there are things that raise concerns with voters and people who support marco. >> i think there is the idea that someone is not rich is kind of not the point. the idea that people struggle with finances is kind of not the point. those are reasonable rebuttal that's the rubio people have. the thing that a lot of republicans including a lot of rubio supporters have been concerned about is the totality of the picture of what the "times" portrays as financial recklessness. you didn't buy multiple homes with no money down at periods of time when you didn't have the money to afford them. one was almost in foreclosure at the time. you didn't have a history of mixing personal and campaign money together to -- party mb to pay for personal trips. there's a whole picture. >> we'll talk about this for a second. i want to make sure everybody knows and very clear about this. >> right. >> there are a lot of people
that speculated when marco speculated. >> lots. >> i just don't do that. i'm too scared to do that. i am conservative economically. but i guess i learned this as a lawyer first time. i think i told you this about the clintons and how they would move money around and -- ed moore sat me down. he said you're a lawyer. this is your business account. this is your trust account. i don't care if everybody in your family is dying. do you not take a dime out of that account. >> right. >> and that was pounded into me as a young lawyer. i went to congress they gave me the same talk. this is the vulnerability from marco. i don't want to paint over all of this. this for me is the only thing that is -- i'll let you finish is relevant to me right now. a lot of people make stupid decisions on the side. america did in 2007 that's why we had the crash in 2008.
but there is never any excuse for mixing campaign money with personal money, government money with personal money. government money with campaign money. if there is something that is a disqualifier that, it is. i would also say this for the clintons as well on a much larger level. >> so all i'm saying is that i think "the times" has a history of doing big stories like this and making a mistake or two. this has been true with stories they've done on the clintons in 2008 and stories they tried to write about mccain. >> what was the most disturbing thing you saw in here? is there a single item? >> i don't -- to me, there is not a single item. to me it's more -- i just look at it from a political standpoint. this to me looks like a giant opo dump. this will be a blueprint for people -- >> one final question. >> for people that dig into a lot of different corners of his life. this is like a gloss once over. you'll now see reporters going through this and looking at each individual item and a lot more
detail. >> please forgive me and apologize to people at home the reason i'm trying to most conversation along is because we have a lot to get to. i'm going to ask you this question. this may be at the heart of it. also we have like ten seconds left in the segment. when we push things along, i want people at home to know why they're yelling in our ears to do it for good reasons. the timing of this. jeb, you know we've been hearing and you've been hearing from the beginning, jeb's got the goods on marco. when they need to they're going to do a big opo dump on him on his personal finances. you know jeb just said it's the summer for crying out loud. that's -- i look at this opo dump, it has all the markings of an opo dump. they'll scream and yell it wasn't even though they predicted this would happen five months ago. god, are they really that desperate in june of 2015 to go after marco? >> yeah. >> what are your thoughts? >> i don't know whether the source -- whether the sources -- >> of course, none of us do. >> there's discussion in the
press whether this come from the democratic side, whether the opo is coming from democrats and not from republican rivals. i don't know the answer to that quechlt all i know it is looks -- it has the feel of a lot of opo from somewhere. >> exactly. may 9th june 5th june 9th. amy? >> it's in an envelope. >> and parking tickets. >> give me a break. and it's making marco rubio more sympathetic among the voters right now who count for him and that's republican primary voters. they see "the new york times" dumping on him this way. there are two i issues the corruption you're eluding to and the lifestyle issue which is totally relatable and for the "new york times" to be trying to paint marco rubio as this having a pension for luxury is absurd. it makes republicans, you know circle the wagons around marco rubio and discredit "the new york times." >> you look at marco's life as a young struggling state
legislator in tallahassee where i don't know when i was in congress, i remember they got paid $25,000 a year and marco doesn't come from money. his dad was a bartender. his mom also. i mean very working class background. a pension for luxury when the clintons and the bushes i mean they really do undercut the credibility at least in my eyes. and with the republican primary voters who are economically on average a lot more like marco than they are hillary or jeb. >> there are many reasonable criticisms of marco rubio. in an attempt to paint him as mitt romney as a rich guy that can't relate is just not credible. it's just not. >> not happening. up next americans are waking up again this morning to headlines about more u.s. troops being sent to iraq for the fight against isis. editor at large for "time" magazine joins the conversation. "morning joe" is back in a moment.
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joining us now foreign affairs columnist and editor at large for "time" magazine ian bremer. good to have you here. let's go back to the top of the show, the news we reported that united states is going to send 400 to 500 military advisors into anbar province to help take back ramadi and eventually mosul. is the beginning of something larger? >> a little more a little more. headlines are really bad because, of course isis is making progress in iraq over the course of the past could months. obama doesn't want to change strategy. he still wants to show i'm sticking with the iraqi army. he's going to give them a little more time and give them a little more resources. if you talk to the iraqi prime minister or ambassador if washington, they're telling you, we need vastly more from the americans than we're getting if you want us to be able to fight these guys. the consequence, the fight is still going to be iran and shia parra militaries on the ground and the americans haven't yet
figured out what that means. of course, we have no strategy whatsoever. >> we have no strategy. is this a reaction to bad headlines yesterday? >> bad headlines in the last couple weeks. i give them a little more strategic than that. >> do you think this is a political decision on the president's part or a military decision? >> i think it is mostly a tactical political decision that is recognize i need to do more but i have to stick with the safest strategy for me which is we can't get sucked back in here. the people on the republican side talking about things that might destroy isis on the ground and iraq require making steps that obama's nowhere close to making. we're not going to commit 10,000 troops on the ground. we don't want to have american boys and girls on the ground getting killed. and so they really want them very far from the front lines. and that's where obama is right now. >> okay. so sorry, but what are the chances we're not going to get sucked back in and have to do much more? >> well i mean you know as long as obama is president, the
chances remain relatively high. the problem is he keeps talking relatively big. saying isis must be destroyed. but you note, there is no actual subject in that sentence. who is going to be actually doing the destroying? it's like assad must go. it's like russia must leave ukraine. there is no magical international community that is going to do this. >> how ironic is it that at the beginning of 2009 you heard complaints from foreign leaders? you did, i did. richard haas mort zuckerman z it was the buzz here and even saw a lot of this get into print that foreign leaders taking on barack obama was that he thought the words were the end instead of a means to the end. and here we are getting near the end of his presidency and you're saying the same thing. you say assad must go. mubarak must go russia must leave ukraine, et cetera et cetera, et cetera. but never have a means to achieve those ends. >> that's very easy to wrap yourself in the flag aren't issues. the fact is global political environment has gotten much
much more challenging over the course of past years. these are not issues with easy answers. i don't see easy answers from jeb bush when gives a speech in germany yesterday. >> how did he do? >> look both in chicago with his first foreign policy speech and now yesterday, jeb is clearly trying to distance himself from his brother. dent see putin's soul in his eyes absolutely. he doesn't want to get sucked back into iraq. he is not talking like pataki like lindsey graham. >> what he is talking like? >> he's talking like obama but i want to do a nebulously defined without getting us in any trouble. >> robust? >> it sounded -- yeah, it's robust. i think he needs to stop taking questions do a little hillary. i don't know if he is a prohibitive favorite if he's the favorite in a long republican race stop taking questions until you actually know what the strategy is on the smaller points. >> let me say, he's not american pharoah but he is even money. >> through go. >> he is probably even money. >> he actually -- with his speech yesterday and going to
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each of these agencies. [ inaudible question ] where do we go? >> welcome back to "morning joe." top of the hour. joining us white house correspondent for american aushurban radio networks good to you have all onboard. april, you were just at the -- yesterday covering the white house. everybody had to leave. tell us about it. >> mika that, room was very different yesterday than any other day. we were sitting -- i sit in the third row in the middle of my room. i can see to my right and left and to my right you can look out the briefing room doors that lead to the driveway outside of the briefing room. two secret service officers came to the door to open the door and they saw that we were in a briefing. they backed up. they backed up and they talked
to themselves for a minute and then came back. we knew at that time that something was going on. there was getting ready to be something, an evacuation of sorts. then they came back and said you have to leave. and you must evacuate. and for that to happen during an active briefing that's never happened before. it was very nerve-racking and also newsy. we had to put our news hats on and leave. >> wow. >> are you watching "beat" this season? where they had the evacuation there and the press secretary ducked behind the podium? >> yeah. >> and they put it in a loop. how is josh? did he duck behind the podium? >> actually joe, actually josh and -- josh left and went to the office. i said something, you're not going down with the ship? come on with us. what happens is we you know in times before we have either sheltered in place by ourselves in our area in the west wing in
the briefing room area or been evacuated away from the white house or sometimes we stay and ride it out. this time they told us to leave. we never had a press secretary stay with us. so that's interesting. we are left to our own vices, basically. >> april, they made you move twice, didn't they? once from outside the press room and then over by the executive office building? and did we ever find out whether the president of the united states was in the oval office during this? did they move him? did we find that out? >> well first question we were moved at the beginning to pebble beach where you see all the press cameras do their standups at the white house to report from the white house. then they moved us further back. then they moved us down the steps to the next building the old executive office building the eisenhower building. then they told us -- we went through a tunnel and told us to move further back. we went into the south auditorium there. some of us didn't have cell service.
so we staid outyed out in the tunnel to call news agencies and family. during that time we were trying to find out where the president was. they didn't tell us at the time. we found out later that the president was in the oval office and he was not -- i say he was not evacuated. >> okay. >> let's move now to upstate new york and the on going search for two convicted murderers still on the run. it's now been four days since the maximum security dana a dannemora escaped. officers descended on hillsboro after getting tips. here is our reporter with more. >> reporter: the mass mobilization, a flood of highly trained officers closing in on new leads. prison break suspects david sweat and richard matt may be on the move near willsboro new york.
matt's son speaking to nbc. >> he is on target. i'm not talking to my father. >> 40 miles from the prison break in this lake side community, police presence built up after a tip. two suspicious men spotted ducking into the woods. neighbors say canines picked up a scent. >> the whole area is in an uproar and really concerned about getting the guys off the street, that's for sure. >> reporter: grid searches like this one are being conducted overhead with helicopters and here on the ground. in open fields and in rug he had terrain. guns drawn, tension high. this is where they've asked us to hold our position. into the woods there is too much cover. it's too dangerous. officials are following leads on both sides of the prison walls. >> what's really hard to understand is how the correction security staff was not aware of this. >> reporter: investigators are questioning a person of interest, joyce mitchell who works in the prison tailor shop where sweat and matt had jobs.
on the day the convicts were reported missing, mitchell checked into the hospital with a "case of the nerves." law enforcement sources tell nbc affiliate wptz when the prisoners broke free from this man hole the get away driver never showed. housed in the a block, the so-called honor section of the prison where they first broke through this steel wall with power tools like all inmates, sweat and matt wore forest green issued pants but could wear civilian shirts and shoes. profilers who helped track inmates on the run say the dragnet stretches well beyond the prison and farm land. >> these guys were smart. sophisticated. >> how is there not a complete network that helped them? how does this -- >> there has to be. >> a large amount of people involved maybe inside the prison. >> but why would there be? >> why would they keep a saw and making a square in the wall and rattling going on. >> there are new details
reported this morning regarding the inmates escape plot. a law enforcement official familiar with the investigation tells the buffalo news that matt and sweat had access to the prison's inner cat walks and passages for about a month leading up to their escape. the source reportedly tells the paper that a square section in the wall and at least one of the cells was cut open with a power saw allowing them access to those inner workings. >> this is a maximum security prison. >> just wait. you spent a lot of time in maximum security prisons mike. >> i've been in them. >> you also know a lot of cops. is there any way in which this is not an inside job? that there is some element of the prison that the guards prison, the people running the prison are involved in this in some way? >> no. and it is highly probable that when they came up out of that man hole cover that they had to cut through a lock and everything that there was someone in a car waiting for them. >> for sure. it's not possible it seems to me to break out of prison in this
way without having been aid bid one or more correctional officers. >> what about the power tools? >> how did they know the car didn't show up? >> i don't know. >> they said it may have shown up. >> what car? >> it may have shown up late. >> if they knew that they know more. >> this was months months in the works. >> and more than one lady -- >> yes, it's not one correctional officer. there's a whole story of conspiracy here it seems to me. right? >> but why? amazing story. >> it's an incredible story. my gosh. >> horrible. >> it's a movie waiting to hachlt. let's turn to mckinney, texas, where captured on video pulling a gun on teenager resigned. eric casebolt's actions while breaking up that pool party last weekend may have been viewed over 10 million times online. at a press conference on tuesday, the mckinney police chief called his behavior indefensible. >> eric casebolt has resigned
from the mckinney police department. as the chief of police, i want to say to our community that actions of casebolt as seen on the video of the disturbance at the community pool are indefensible. he came into the call out of control. and as the video shows, was out of control during the incident. i had 12 officers on the scene. 11 of them performed according to their training. >> 12 officers on the scene and 11 of them performed according to their training. one did not. ten million hits. another black eye. >> decided to save his pension and resign. >> yeah. >> that video remains shocking in the sense, you know we've seen videos of police officers getting out of control with civilians. the young woman on the ground that's one aspect of it. but the shocking aspect is when he takes his gun out when approached by another teenager who is clearly concerned about
his treatment of the young woman on the ground. he takes his gun out. go home. give me your shield. give me your weapon. get out. >> that's what he did. >> for a lot of us it was shocking to see this uniformed man treating a 14-year-old girl who is let's face it nearly naked, and brutal and totally indefensible way. you saw the police chief say he was out of control when he showed up. he was out of control throughout the incident. what i didn't understand is why you need 12 police officers to tell kids to go home. ien into was a pool party. there were teenagers. there is apparently allegedly a bit of a brawl. that is pretty common among adolescence. it was was this s.w.a.t. team approach that looked like the for four seasons. did you see a picturest pool? it's beautiful. >> the treatment of young girl is the issue. but the -- >> did you see as far as the training goes he takes his gun out and the two officers
immediately -- >> whoa. >> they move on him. >> i agree with amy. there is something about if you send a dozen cops to break up a pool party, there's an -- you're coming into the situation with a degree of overreaction and intensity that in which the likelihood that one -- if there's a bad cop in that group that, cop is going to be spun up. you know sh it's going to be send two officers to break it up it is less likely that one is going to be you know on the rampage like. that. >> april jump in. >> yeah mika and joe, i asked when we were talking about this situation with excessive force and the large numbers of police i asked some justice department officials yesterday, you know is there possibility of a justice department investigation because of excessive force and maybe a little overhandedness with the situation? they said they like -- not necessarily like, but they see what has been happening as a resultst of the video and they like the fact that the department has made swift
actions in relation to the police officer who did this to this child. so they're watching. they're monitoring. right now the actions of the police department seem to be according to what the justice department wants. so right now they're monitoring to see if there needs to be an investigation. but things are going along the way they should according to the justice department. >> okay. for the second day in a row, president obama and republicans engaged in a war of words over obamacare. preb accused the health care laws critics of ignoring reality. he gave the passionate defense just days before the supreme court rules on whether it's legal to provide subsidies to consumers who buy insurance on the federal exchange. >> despite the constant doom and gloom predictions, the unending chicken little warnings that somehow making health insurance fair and easier to buy would lead to the end of freedom. the end of the american way of life. lo and behold, it did not
happen. none of this came to pass. it seems so cynical to want to take coverage away from millions of people. to take care away from the people who need it the most. to punish millions with higher costs of care. and unravel what is now been woven into the fabric of america. and that kind of cynicism flies in the face of our history. our history is one of each generation striving to do better and to be better than the last. >> woven into the fabric of america? he got -- he's gotten one stitch in. he doesn't even know if this part of it is constitutional. they've been granting waivers left and right for the past couple of years. woven into the fabric of america? not even close, betsy ross. there is a lot of sowing left on that flag. >> well, unless it's unsewn. unless it is ripped apart. >> it is one thread that we pull out. i love how we're like a couple
years into it and they provided one waiver after another waiver after another waiver because it's not woven into the fabric of america. it is being pushed upon by small business owners employers of all sizes because they just -- they don't know whether it can work or not. and i don't know. it's pretty interesting that he's talking about how this would somehow do grave violence to our society. social security is woven into the fabric of our society. medicare is woven into the fabric of our society. >> what about the exceptions to obamacare that the white house accepts. that was classic president obama where he accuses the motives of anybody who is krit calf-- critical of obamacare accusing opponents of bad motives and saying his motives are pure and woven into
the fabric of america. this is an on going debate and one we need to have. >> you can also raise a legitimate question, especially if you're in a hospital and looking at your hospital bill and fighting with your insurance company, why is it not woven into the fabric of america? >> thank you. >> why is not universal health care woven into the fabric -- >> why don't we continue having that debate and as we've been saying here for a long time republicans can't beat something with nothing. but at the same time why does obamacare have to be the one and only's that is woven into the fabric of america? >> therewhat is the alternative from the opposition? >> right. >> they just want to kill the bill. >> there are savings accounts attaching it to the employee rather than the employer. >> the "wall street journal" editorial board asks this -- is obamacare an -- is obamacare owe
men? a sndeasoned observer must know that it does him no good to lacerate the justices in public if he's trying to influence them to come his way. his best strategy would be silence. our suspicions were raised even more on tuesday when mr. obama gave a full thrown defense of the signature health law that gave the impression he's not going to alter a single letter no matter what the court does. could they be telling mr. obama he's about to lose so he's now beginning to prepare the public for an all out assault on the court and republicans? >> mike barnicle this is -- >> i think it's bad. >> i have not read this editorial yet. but that's exactly the question i was about to ask you. if you're going out lacerating the justices two or three days before a critical ruling on your signature piece of legislation, are you not picking a fight that you know -- >> is about to happen? >> -- is about to happen. it seems like he knows he's
going throeso lose this battle. >> i don't know how you get indications from the supreme court which way they're going to go on a ruling. i agree with you. someone must be whispering in his ear that you're going to go down. >> go ahead. >> april, i feel if he lose this is battle it is potentially could backfire on the republicans. what is your gut? >> well, we have to wait and see what the ruling will be. and that's one of the main things. i think what happens is if he definitely wins of course it will backfire on the republicans. but if not if this is gutted the way that we're hearing that it could be could is the operative word at this time. it could actually be a win for the republicans. you have to remember this is his legacy piece. joe biden did say when he signed this into law this was a big deal. it hasn't happened before. remember that. but you have millions of americans run to this. you had millions of americans run and get -- go on the aca
website even at the time of the glitches and the hick upcups and join in. >> if the president loses on this you know -- fit backfires on the republicans. >> strike me down and i only become stronger. no. it's a loss for him. everybody in the white house knows it's a loss for him. i'm not saying he's going to lose. john roberts has shocked us one time. there are two supreme court decision that's are coming. much of his legacy is going to rest on how they rule on this and how they rule on immigration. i have no idea how they're going it rule on the affordable care act. i will tell you, i would be shocked if they did not overturn his immigration order. and if he were to lose both of them -- i'm not saying he is -- that is something inside the white house that is obviously worrying him. a huge part of his legacy is cut by the supreme court. >> obama doesn't want to lose this case. he wants to win the case.
but a lot of republicans are saying that if he loses, it actually gives them cover. they can say, look this went to the supreme court. it was a constitutional issue. it was about the writingst law. don't forget jonathan gruber the mit economist who said it was intentional to get the states to set up their own exchanges and not have the fed swoop in. but republican candidates can say, you know this wasn't republicans voting down obamacare this was the supreme court finding this language applies. >> the next step you always have to look forward to is following up on what mike said. this puts pressure on republicans in 2016. it's going to come up with a hk health care plan, kupt look at the explosion of health care cost that's we talk about i talk about all the time. medicare and medicaid crippling us as a nation if health care costs explode like they were a couple years ago. of course, health care costs have been thoeld a historic low even before obamacare was taken knee infect and in part because of the great recession.
but republicans, it's time. what is your answer? what's your comprehensive plan? the status quo is not enough right now. >> april ryan thank you very much. amy holmes thank you to you as well. still ahead, he used to be an independent and republican. but he's now running for president as a democrat. former governor lincoln chafee will be here. and what dennis hastert did and didn't say in his first appearance and was president obama caught? >> what? he is a smoker! you were right. >> i'm just saying. >> he is a smoker. >> i don't know. why there are new questions -- >> you know what? it's a stressful job. >> i think somebody asked him to hold them for a second and that's what happened.
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question. the photograph posted by the italian prime minister. >> you guys stop. >> g-7 summit in germany appears to show the president holding a pack of smokes. >> appears. it's not clear. >> no. it can be a bowling ball. come on. let's not jum topp to conclusions. >> that's gum. that's gum. >> 95% cured. his medical report stated he occasionally does chew nicotine gum to help kick the habit. >> listen you were explaining this before. you're a smoker. you go to europe. >> takes you fwook your college days you know. when you're around the euro rail and everybody is smoking. >> it's gum. good how many of your sons went on the euro rail? >> all of them. >> don't get all, like you know -- i would never be in europe. whatever. >> ask nick.
ask collin if she smoke cigarettes on the euro rail. >> isn't it surprising that he would be holding the pack? wouldn't somebody slide him a smoke. >> he hides it. >> we're going to end up looking at this more than people look at -- >> let's do real news. >> a lot ahead here. >> so okay look at this. dennis hastert here enters a guilty plea -- not guilty plea. >> hastert was largely silent in the first public appearance since his indictment nearly two weeks ago. joining us from yorkville, illinois nbc news correspondent gain gutierrez. what is next in this case? >> the judge assigned no this case, he made political donations to hass terlt's campaign more than ten years ago and now a decision is expected by tomorrow on whether that judge will stay on in this case.
now hastert taught high school here in this community for 16 years but now he faces the legal fight of his life. and it was a wild scene yesterday as he made that first public appearance in nearly two weeks. >> reporter: this morning dennis hastert is out on $4500 bail. after facing a media frenzy. he pleaded not guilty to charges he broke banking laws and then lied to the fbi. inside the federal courtroom, he whispered yes when asked whether he understood the terms of his bond. they include surrendering his passport, removing all firearms from his home and submitting dna samples. >> i assume the defense is going to be it's my money. i'm entitled to withdraw it if i like. i'm entitled to use it for any lawful purple and this incident may be distasteful but not unlawful. >> they claim that hastert made 15 withdrawals of $50,000 in at least 106 cash withdrawals of
less than $10,000 each. all to pay an unidentified individual aide. federal law enforcement officials tell nbc news the money was to cover up past sexual misconduct with a male student. that allegation still rocking the illinois town where he was a teacher and wrestling coach for 16 years. >> i'm not happy with him being charged. i'm not happy if he did what he did. >> honestly i hope it isn't -- none of it is true. >> reporter: no comment from the former house speaker or his new high profile attorney as they left court. but in sign of how prevalent hastert was in politics the judge randomly assigned to the case disclosed he donated twice to hastert's campaign. again, judge thomas durkin made the donations 10 years ago he said he has no doubt he could be impartial in this case but he also said he would remove himself if the case unless both parties, the defense and the prosecution, agree to let him stay on. and mika again, a decision on
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♪ joining us now from capitol hill, a member of the arms services committee, democratic senator joe manchin of west virginia. good to have you onboard again this morning, senator. let's start with what "the new york times" is calling a major shift in strategy in the approach to isis and this is it sending trainers hundreds of additional american military trainers to help iraqi forces retake ramadi. what do you make of this approach? do you have hope that it will be effective? >> i think we need to look at the past. we were there for 12 years or more. we've had upwards to 100,000 troops in those areas before in afghanistan and iraq. it's still in as bad if not worse shape than it was. are they ever going to have the will to defend themselves? are we trying to put a government together with people that basically have been fighting for 1400 years that don't want to be together? >> do we know yet? do we know if they can do it? >> well i mean past results
have not been very good. i would think that basically insanity is doing the same thing over and over and thinking you're going to change and have a different result. the only thing i said joe biden said many years ago that maybe it's a three state solution there. you're going to have the shiites and sunnis having a comfort area they can control themselves. and have sovereignty and rights and control, kurds and all of them have to be able to live in a region. they have their own autonomy. i don't know if we're trying to force something together that's not going to work. we tried what they want to try again. fit wasn't for the iraqi troops ice is would have no hardware. they wouldn't have weapons. they have ours because they keep turning them over to him. >> so what is your approach senator? it is the biden approach? >> that was mocked at first. and now i think it's -- >> i know it was mocked at first. the bottom line we tried everything else. you know churchill said many years ago, "the americans will always do the right thing after they tried everything else."
>> right. >> we just about tried everything else. we can't put them together. they don't have the confidence that will put the right regime or leader in with maliki and how that backfired on everybody. >> right. >> maybe we need to take different approach. >> so are there other people on the committee? are there other people in the senate that are now moving towards which i think is the sane, sensible thing to do? >> i can't say that. >> the three state solution are you hearing talk about that at all in the committee? are people just talking about repeating the same mistake? >> joe, let me ask you this. you heard how many people on that committee and intelligence an on formulation that's said we should arm the kurds. they're the ones that want to fichlt. >> right. why aren't we? >> because we have a policy that we go through baghdad. is that a policy we should change? strategy should be changed. >> how did a yes? it obviously s do you think it is? >> i think -- i do joe. i think my friend tim kaine who has been pushing extremely hard
on authorization to use military force, don't you think we should have congress' involvement to see if this is the right policy because what we've been doing has not worked. throwing more money and troops i don't believe will work. if you talk to the surrounding neighbors, they don't believe that troops american troops on the ground does anything but infuriates and instigates more retaliation. they have to wand to have the result to sol of this themselves. they haven't showed that so far. >> senator, with regard to arming the kurds or giving them more arms than they already have right now, do you think or have you heard anything about the results of the turkish election which president suffered somewhat of a loss will that help in the situation with the kurds? the turks have violently opposed to arming the kurds. who they regard as an enemy. do you think that will help at all? >> it's got to change the complexion of what we're dealing with over. there the turks have been pretty much direct in their approach to wanting us to fight and take out
assad before they got involved. it's like a quid pro quo. we got to do this for the saudis. we have to do this for the turks. we have to do this and we have isis you know kind of going in all different directions being unchecked. we have to get our act together over there. the turks have to get involved. i think people are are uneasy very concerned about their own safety. if they think that isis is not going to bother them or come into their territory or do harm to their people they're badly mistaken. sure, they should be. and they're going to have to engage. but if they're going to prevent us from having the kurds, and the kurds basically have proven that they will fight. they will defend themselves and they will help protect the region. they want their own autonomy. how do you divide up the oil revenues? how do you make something work where everybody gets oil revenues? >> senator manchin, it's willie geist. good to see you this morning. three state solution obviously, is a long term plan. but isis is taking iraqi cities.
it's blowing up marketplaces in syria and libya as well just over the last day. they're doing that now. they're planning to attack america now. so what more can the united states do in this exact moment to prevent that? the three state solution is going to be years in the making obviously. >> three state solution will be in the making f that's the direction that people want to do, how are you going to give them the will to fight, willie? do we have to be there for eternity basically fighting the war for them? if they won't fight isis who is made of sunnis we'll protect baghdad and everything souvenlg baghdad, that's fine. that's all shiite. how are you going to get them to engage in fight? the kurds aren't going to come over and do much fighting for the sunnis. they'll protect their area. so the bottom line is if we go in, there do the sunnis have any type of confidence that we're going to help them establish their own regime and accept that and then the shiites have theirs? there has to be a plan where they believe will work.
what we did before didn't work. you know it's just -- you hear so many briefings, so many secured briefings. no one has had an answer. i think that basically when they said there is not a policy that is concrete yet we think that is a pathway to success. we have tried everything else. >> senator, john hooileilman here. president obama has a lot of areas where he's using kind of executive action to try to pursue his agenda. one of them is climate. i see you and senator thune introduced a bill to roll back the epa regulations on climate. talk about that a little bit. >> john the only thing we're talking about on climate is first of all, the climate, we have a serious problem with the climate. it has been man made. we've been involved in this. we're to blame how much people argue all day long. you can't be a denier. with that being said i accept we have to do something and we can do something. basically, we're going to use fossil for the next 30 years.
even the department of energy. so if the administration doesn't want to use it and in denial they can't run the country. we can't have affordable reliable dependable power. with that shouldn't we be finding the technology that we can use it in the cleanest fashion? you can't have an unrealistic goal to be set when we don't have technology to get us to that level. the only thing i have said if it's not been legislated you shouldn't be regulatesing it. you should go through the process of congress. and they don't want to do that. we're saying have proven technology that's been on the grid for commercial one year showing that it will work and then basically say this is the new guidelines and bench marks you have to meet. if you're not willing to invest we'll shtut you down. listen, if we have new technology and we're not going to invest we have to shut the coal generating plants down. but they're willing to do it. they just can't hit a moving target, john. >> all right. thank you so much senator joe manchin. always great to you have with us. >> thank you all. always good to be with you all, joe. >> what would senator ted cruz
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you look at them in the same thing that these ideas interchange each other politics drives policy and vice versa. this website we created "power post," wants to look if a serious way at policy but through the political lens and absolutely our target audience is your audience. >> yeah. what are you looking at today in the first day of the launch? >> what we're doing is we're rolling out this week interviews with all the leading presidential candidates who will talk to us not hillary clinton, about what they would do in the first 100 days in between the fundraisers. they do spend a lot of time thinking if i was in the oval office, what i would do in day one? what first phone call would i make? >> we tease ted cruz's first 100 days. what did you find out? people in the upper west side would love to hear this. >> well, cruz joked when i talked to him yesterday that first thing he would do would be to send reporters and editors care packages when we're in therapy trying to make sense of how he could have been elected.
>> that's funny. >> he interestingly, you know on the trail he talks a lot about repealing obamacare on day one. he talked a lot yesterday with me about tax reform kind of a fair tax, a flat tax to be able to eliminate the irs. he said that he would love to be able to earn a mandate by campaigning on this through the primaries and the general election. it's something he's clearly passionate. he hasn't really been emphasize ong the trail as much. you know you get the standard responses from every republican candidate now about wanting to scuttle the iran deal. and things like that. but, you know he talked about bringing a teechl lawyers together during the transition to go through every executive order obama has signed not just the immigration ones and to figure out how to invalidate them. the money quote from my interview is you live by the pen, you die by the pen. and cruz expressed a lot of confidence he could roll back a lot of what obama accomplished especially in the second term during his first couple days in office. >> looks like you're looking at
marco rubio's finances as well. >> and chris cyst kri y. >> and chris christie has some news. is there anything we're looking at the front page "the new york times" talking a lot about marco rubio's finances. what did you all find or not find? >> well what's interesting is it is breaking through. rubio is getting a love buzz on social media. this is something that people are talking about. the rubio campaign has raised money off of this. it's sort of a, you know never hurts to take on the "new york times" if you're a republican candidate for president. but there are also a lot of influential that's target audience for this product who are kind of nervous about some of the stuff that they're seeing. the fact is, it's still the most read story on the "time" today as it was yesterday. and so this is undoubtedly a problem for the rubio campaign and it highlights just kind of one of the problems he's going to face as he's taking more and more seriously as the top tier contender. >> you also looked at social media insight and you say
hillary had by far the buzziest rollout? give us the rankings here. >> what republican had the buzziest rollout? >> by far, ted cruz. he was really smart to go first. you know there was this news vacuum. so 69% of all the conversation about 2016 on tv on social media, twitter, facebook was dominated by ted cruz during the five days after he announced. no one came close to that. even hillary clinton. so he was able to sort of seize that vacuum and i think he gained a lot from his rollout. at this point we had a dozen, 14 people announce. and so each announcement including jeb bush's next monday is increasingly less interesting to us in the press because we've now been through this drill so many times. >> yeah especially since he already sort of announced. james, thank you so much. >> thank you, james. >> "power post" is live on "the washington post's" website.
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little golf by the name of phil mickelson stopped by for a $1 glass of lemonade. here's how the kids described what happened. >> he opened the door and said can we have -- >> glass of lemonade. and then all it took was one little thing for him to give us a good tip. >> how much of a tip did he give you? >> $100. >> what are you going to do with $100? >> save it up for a kindle. >> that's what she's doing. i'm saving up for something else. >> what are you saving up for? >> i think i'm saving up for a nerf gun. >> nice. phil mickelson, $1 glass of lemonade stand and gives $100 bill keep the change. he's a generous guy.
phil gives $100 tips ten times a day, caddies, people that bring the car around. >> i like that maybe the kids could have gotten a $20. just saying. >> come on. >> come on mika. >> you're criticizing. >> tough crowd. >> it's a little much. it's okay -- >> he's being nice. >> i like the tipping people -- >> get back in the car. >> go to tease, just stop. >> a $20 would have been just right. up next -- can a prison supervisor help police find two escaped inmates in new york. the latest details on the person of interest and the manhunt that is still at this hour underway. plus who's behind the series of negative "new york times" reports on marco rubio and is it a sign his rivals
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>> i'm okay. how are you? >> i'm doing great. i'm doing great. >> you were in the park last night. >> shakespeare in the park. >> how was it? >> absolutely beautiful. >> i've never been it was incredible. >> was it really? >> my daughter loved it. she's 19 i thought she would be really bored and she loved it. there was the guy from "modern family". >> for all of these years loved to be called the guy in "modern family". >> jesse tyler ferguson he was fantastic. >> you had a beautiful night, matches the experience. >> exquisite and to support the arts. i had a little bit of a busy week but -- >> mika is -- i once asked mika about "star wars", i don't get "star wars", that's like saying
you don't get shakespeare. she said i never really liked him. >> didn't like bill shakespeare. >> thought he was showy. >> did performances in my time at the williamstown festival. >> you asked what the difference was between "star wars" and "star trek", then you lost america. >> i'm so sorry for america. no i don't know the difference sorry. >> i wouldn't admit that. >> okay. we begin overseas where hundreds more u.s. troops may soon be heading to iraq for the fight against isis. a senior obama administration official tells nbc news that the military advisers would help train iraqi forces to reclaim ramadi the city which is 70 miles from baghdad fell to isis last month. up to 500 additional trainers are being considered. right now the u.s. has about 3,000 troops in iraq.
meanwhile, despite heavy fighting iraqi forces say they are continuing to make gains against isis. home to the country's largest oil refinery located on the road to mosul, but isis says it is now in control of a key power plant in libya. officials say the conflict between rifle militias is allowing them to expand their reach in the country. this is part of the debate. do we still try and get the iraqis to stand up for themselves? will trainers help? do we need to just go back in completely? >> i don't know. well trainers aren't going to help by themselves. you never know what's going to happen. a lot of people said that the surge with i guess 30,000 troops wasn't going to be enough. most of the generals i talked to said it wasn't going to be enough and ended up being enough. it's hard to say. but it just feels like the president is treading water. he does one half measure after
another half measure. i'm not being critical of him expanding troops in iraq but is he doing for political reasons because he once again slipped up and said we don't have a strategy? or willie is he starting to unveil a bigger strategy instead of saying well you know what i'll put a few more troops in iraq to get headlines and people get off my back. i think that's the biggest concern that most foreign policy leaders have there's no overarching strategy here. >> if you read that piece and "wall street journal" or front page in the "new york times," saying this is a new strategy they have to get inside anbar province and set up a base and establish they can take back ramadi and mosul to the north there, which they lost about a year ago. the question is can that be done by adding 400 or 500 advisers? i think the frustration with some people is that you don't even have spotters. you're not allowing american troops to do things they are
good at doing. are advisers enough to push the iraqi army along which hasn't shown its ability to win the fight? >> is this in the end a jv team that allowed to win 100- nothing because it's like the globetrotters against -- >> can you really set it up? some -- you cannot create something that we have there. >> at the same time because we went in in 2003 there's a massive void that has to be filled. we can't fill it ourselves but we can certainly help others fill it. but i do think strategically folks infocus on anbar province is critical. if you can turn it around like
in '07, '08, 09 suddenly the kurds take control of their area and you have the iranians in the shiite areas. that makes a lot of people freak out. i hate it myself. but if you're just talking about beating isis first, that's how you divide the map up strategically. and you don't have to do it by sending in 50,000 troops. but you've got to focus on taking back anbar province. you've got to give the kurds a hell of a lot more than they are giving them. and you've got to either make a deal with the devil with iran or you know figure out another way forward there. >> general dempsey, the chairman of the joint chiefs was asked, does this open the door perhaps to more troops actual ground troops? he said tbd, to be determined. did not rule out that the possibility. >> that's where we are. >> that's very good that he's saying that. >> although -- okay i also know
what the argument would be if we went all in again so -- >> but again -- >> choices are no good. >> we're not talking about going all in. it's this all or nothing thing that a lot of the president's supporters embrace. nobody is saying we go all in but we can't stick our heads in the sand and pretend it isn't happening. >> let's turn to mckinney, texas, where the police officer captured on video pulling his gun on teenagers has now resigned. officer eric casebolt's actions while breaking up the pool party last weekend have been viewed over 10 million times online. at a press conference on tuesday, the mckinney police chief called his behavior quote, indefensible. >> he has resigned from the mckinney police department. as chief of police i want to say the actions of casebolt as seen on video are indefensive.
he came into the call out of control. as the video shows was out of control during the incident. i had 12 officers on the scene and 11 of them performed according to their training. >> let's talk about that. i think in this video, this shows a new reality of policing in america that's been a real problem since ferguson. and that is 100 cops can do their job right. one cop goes as he said and as willie said yesterday into the scene out of control. and that's the cop that's viewed by 10 million and played like we're playing it right now. >> you know how that's fixed? >> on news. >> they are gone within a week. that's how that's fixed. they are gone fired, reassigned and taken off the street and gone. the problem in ferguson is that it dragged out. >> well there's a much bigger problem in ferguson and the justice department correctly
talked about that. >> right. >> what i'm saying willie if you're a cop on the street you're going, okay media, why don't we put cameras on every one of your executive offices and hear what -- or okay when a doctor commits malpractice and kills somebody on the operating table, if we had cameras there, i guess that would be viewed 10 million times. oh damn i cut the wrong artery he's bleeding out. what i'm saying is you can have this in every profession. i'm not defending anything that's going on out there. i'm just saying these days if we want to know why cops are back on their heels, it's because 11 cops did the right thing, one cop, who we don't know, maybe he had a great career before this one cop goes in hot and it's viewed 10 million times and people are waking up and watching clips going, boy, all cops are out of control. it's just not accurate.
i think body cams help the good cops but it's a tough time to be a cop. i'm talking about it's a tough time to be a good cop. >> it is. we did see good cops in that video. we saw the two officers almost immediately when he pulled his gun and moved in behind him -- >> dude, what are you doing? >> the other side of that argument, how many times has something like this happened that we didn't see. and then in a report of an officer, maybe one much these officers could say this young woman, 15-year-old woman came at me, charged me. you can make up a narrative if there's no camera. >> totally. >> the camera thing cuts both ways but if we've got body cameras, good for good cops and not so good for bad cops. i commend the mckinney police department for moving quickly. they said he resigned but obviously they forced him out. >> he was straight forward, did the right thing. >> there was no ee quif indication there and that helps a lot. let's go to upstate new york.
this is so chilling and still ongoing. the search for two convicted murderers on the run. it's now been four days since the maximum security prison inmates were discovered missing from the prison. and yesterday a tip led officers to willsboro, heavily armed officers descended on the small town getting a tip that was directly related to the two inmates. but their search turned up nothing. now the nbc station is reporting that the focus of the search has returned to dannamora law enforcement official familiar with the investigation tells the buffalo news that matt and sweat had access to the prison's inner cat walks and passages for about a month leading up to their escape. the source reportedly tells the paper that a square section in the wall and at least one of
their cells was cut open with a power saw allowing them access to their inner workings at night. >> wow. >> don't know how they didn't see that. >> willie asked yesterday, at some point they use that power saw. when they use that power saw, where was everybody? >> where was everyone? joining us now, medication news nbc news correspondent stephanie gosk. >> reporter: good morning. really good point. the power saw was extremely loud. the fact that no one heard it it's more than a little suspect. law enforcements are saying they don't have idea where these two guys are. they've been getting hundreds of tips and one of the difficult things in a case like this is trying to weed through tips and figure out which to follow and which to ignore. they got a tip from the small town in willsboro that they felt needed their attention. they saw two men entering the woods. they circled the town and did grid searches there with hours
and k-9s turning up nothing. a prison worker here joyce mitchell worked in a tailer shop for eight years. she worked alongside her husband lyle. we spoke to toby mitchell her son. police have told us that his mother is a person of interest and they've questioned her. but he says there's no way she willingly helped these two convicts escape. he also told us that his parents called him on saturday night, that was the same day as the prison break, and this is what they had to say. >> there's a report out there that injure that your mom went to the emergency room with a panic attack. did that happen? >> yes, she was in fact in the hospital that evening. i don't know the exact details. i just know that she was having severe chest pains and she was concerned about that. >> reporter: a lot of people are looking at that saying wow, maybe she had a panic attack because she was supposed to help them and get in the car and
didn't, a lot of speculation. >> no i mean my mom, she worries a lot about everything. i mean especially me. >> reporter: toby says the public is rushes to judgment. >> people might say, no matter what i wouldn't do that. when you're put in a situation where a family member is threatened or other family members might be threatened or at risk you do a lot of things you wouldn't think to protect the family. in my family family always comes first. >> reporter: were there threats, toek toby? i have no idea. >> reporter: he's worried for his parents safety with two convicted killers on the run and insists the truth will soon come out. police have contacted him a couple of times asking about their whereabouts, he says he has no idea where they are. back to you. >> stephanie gosk thank you very much. >> unbelievable. >> little perspective on this now. the former assistant special agent in charge of the joint fbi
nypd terrorism task force don barelli is with us. radius grows larger with all of these days. how does the strategy change for the men and women looking for these guys? >> the longer it goes on it shifts from more of a manhunt to a traditional fugitive investigation. you're going to be look in the area and following up on reports of persons sighting like somebody in the woods or backyard, like they did yesterday. but investigate errings will be going back looking at cell phone records allegedly. did these guys have access to a phone. who did they call? looking at visitor logs and circling around their friends and associates and family and trying to follow up on leads. these guys had a plan. we know they had access to the inner workings of the prison. they had a very successful plan. they were smart. they had access to power tools. in all likelihood maybe they have a cell phone with them and
able to call and get help. they could be in mexico as easily as the woods near the prison. >> obviously, if they can get access to power tools and inner workings of the prids on this long chances are good they didn't plan all that out -- they didn't plan all this out to get to the man hole cover and hey, dude what do we do next? >> i'm sure they did not have a single point of failure, if the car doesn't show up we take off on foot and we're running. in all likelihood they have a plan had a plan. and that -- they are in the process of executing that. now, no plan is perfect and obviously if the car didn't show up, that could have thrown a kink in it. but if i had to guess, it's not that these guys are just scrambling, i think they had a plan for assistance and that somebody -- multiple people may be helping them. they may not even be together in all likelihood they could be separated, one in one direction, one in the other. that's going to complicate
things for law enforcement. >> this doesn't sound like just one person inside helped them out, right? i mean, we've assumed from the beginning that this had to be -- >> sure. >> more than one person assisting. >> that would be my guess. i mean in the end i think there's no such thing as a perfect crime. with investigators will figure this out as it goes on but if i had to guess, i would say there were multiple people involved not just this one prison worker but other people potentially on the inside and on the outside, family members, friends, associates. and we'll see. i think we will -- investigators will start unraveling this and we'll get more information. but as of now, who knows. >> thank you so much don, we always appreciate you being here. this is just the strangest thing, isn't it? i mean -- >> i think there might be many people involved. >> there has to be. >> the power saw, again, the
power saw, and these dudes are walking around inside the prison for like -- they have access. i mean do they not have cameras in maximum security prisons? >> and we're cutting through metal, by the way, which only makes the sound greater. they had to have access to power to get the tools going. they had to know the blue print of the prison where the steam pipes are and to get in and out. then i would also wonder about the communications. obviously somebody had to meet them on the outside to get them out of there. are communications monitored well enough inside the prison? we're doing this meet us at this man hole cover, there has to be some record of that. >> still ahead, the latest round in the battle between "the new york times" and marco rubio? could the newspaper be helping the 2016 hopeful? plus he's challenging hillary clinton for the democratic nomination former governor lincoln chafee will be here in the studio. we'll be right back. new neutrogena cooldry sport.
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speetspeed boat is absurd. i love fishing. >> by the way, you love fishing and you would love that boat. no fisherman in america would call that a quote, luxury -- that's what you get to load your family up and go out fishing if you live in a place like, i don't know -- >> america. >> miami. >> america. >> how could he have wasted all of that money, willie when they don't -- it's like in spinal tap, boston is not a college town miami is not a fishing town. you did see -- it's funny nobody in "the times" has ever gone fishing. >> i don't think there's a lot of deep sea fishing in the "new york times." it makes people think he's on a yacht perhaps owned by other candidates. >> anybody who ever lived in florida and bought a boat knows you can buy it over like 20 years. maybe -- i don't know what his
payments are but they could be -- >> he used his book money. >> candidates finances are fair game and we do it to all candidates, but it feels a bit like a reach. >> let's show the boat one more time then let's -- so this is -- what's the headline willie? >> rubio career bedevilled by financial struggles. >> and they say by this purchase -- >> he's running against a guy who grew up on walker point in maine. i don't know if anybody has seen this. again, we'll talk about this later but if this is all the "new york times" and marco's opponents have on him, he's doing pretty well right now. >> in berlin former florida governor jeb bush had tough words for russian president vladimir putin. bush was asked about those comments and whether his rhetoric might go too far. >> he's all powerful in russia but i guess my point was that we
don't want to make it sound we're against russia ultimately russia needs to be a european country and ultimately i think as a deal with putin, you need to deal from strength. he's a bully and bullies don't -- you enable bad behavior when you're nuanced with a guy like that. being clear, i'm not talking about being bellicose, here are consequences of your action. that would deter the kind of bad outcome we don't want to see. we don't want to isolate russia to the point where we push them into the arms of china. >> chris jansing, what was the reaction to the governor's speech? >> reporter: i think it was overall pretty positive. he had a standing room only crowd of what looked to me maybe what was predicted, 1,000, maybe more people. but i also think it's really telling that in his speech there was a lot about the example that germany sets with the economy and vladimir putin and what
should be done in the baltics, the biggest ovation is when he mentioned his dad and what happened with the reunification with berlin. he's also not here to win over the german voting public. he is sending a message back home and keeps using the word a more robust response. and what i read into all of this is that it's easy to criticize what's going on to offer specifics about what you would do differently, is more -- it's harder. and when he was pushed today, there was a little impromptu news conference about some of the specifics. he said, look i'm not here to offer a five-point plan. i'm here to listen and learn. you do get the sense of a campaign trying to find its footing. i met one of his young foreign policy advisers a young team traveling with him here and you have this shake-up at the top of the campaign where he's replacing a week before he's officially going to announce
his campaign manager. and i asked him about it yesterday, didn't want to talk about it. he said everything was fine but gave a little longer answer this morning. this is what he said about it. >> you know you have a real focus on four states in feb, then you have an avalanche of states -- i'm sorry -- after that. and you think about how to organize all of that. it's hard to imagine this but i don't read the clips. i kind of know what my job is it's to develop a message that's hopeful and optimistic about the future of the country to develop ideas that will give people a sense they can lift up and tell them about my leadership skills to make it so. i'm confident that the team in place will do their job and i've got to do my job as well. i don't read the polls. polls are, you know fun to see them when you're winning. not so fun when you're not. it doesn't matter it's june for crying out loud. we have a long way to go. >> but he also said this is
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♪ 31 past the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." joining us now, former governor and u.s. senator of rhode island now a democratic presidential candidate. lincoln chafee thanks for coming on. we want specifics from you on how you approach the issues facing this country. but first, you've been pretty critical of hillary clinton, the obvious front-runner if i may say that. and you say she has a credibility problem. what's the strategy behind those comments and what exactly do you
mean? >> well obviously they has a credibility problem over a long history of ethical questions, most recently with the e-mails and clinton foundation donations, but really my main criticism, if i could, is her approach to the world. that's really what i want to talk about in the campaign because i think that's what americans care about. credibility is also very important. but where we're going in the world and her tenure as secretary of state, her vote for the iraq war kind of indicates a similarity to the republican candidates running and i just believe in an election you should have choices and the democratic party should have someone who differs from the republican approach of the world. >> her iraq vote indicates similarity to a lot of other democrats as well. it's not usual. is there something unusual you're pointing to? so far it doesn't appear that these ethical questions, although if we had a chance to talk with her, we would ask her some questions about the e-mails and ask about the foundation. we would ask the questions.
doesn't feel like they are getting any traction? >> you mentions democrats voted -- for voted for it than against it. just politically speaking the last time the democrats nominated a war supporter with john kerry and wasn't successful in '08 and in '12, barack obama opposed the war. my point is there should be for the american people a difference of opinion, a choice rather than someone just like the republicans when we talk about world affairs. >> governor, given the fact a vote is a choice what sets you apart from all of the other candidates? what would make you a better president than hillary clinton or jeb bush or anyone else? >> it starts with the decision not to go into iraq. and i was one -- >> that's in the past. that's in the past. >> let me answer your question. that's where it starts. a lot of senators weren't doing their homework, weren't looking at the evidence where the
weapons of mass destruction, asking the right questions. i asked for everything they had and wasn't convinced there were weapons of mass destruction. it starts there and where we're going in the world. i would say as general petraeus said as they invaded iraq in 2003 tell me how this ends. and that's the key question right now. never mind what happened and the mistake we got there, general petraeus, tell me how this ends. and i think we should wage peace as i say and put out a ten-point program on how we do that and improve relations around the world and try and deescalate this war. then dedicate those resources back home. >> education, health care infrastructure, all of those good things we could be doing rather than this quagmire that seems to go on forever, endless war. and some will say republicans and secretary clinton will say yes, it is an endless war. i have a different point of view. >> you have made the point about secretary clinton a lot in the
run-up to your announcement you were going to run for president. >> she's a hawk. >> i'm curious whether you see yourself running for president or running to make a point? >> no i care about my children and the world and your children. >> i understand that at this moment you don't have really a campaign organization in iowa you don't have a campaign organization in new hampshire. you're not really -- you haven't raised a lot of money. you seem you're mostly trying to make up a number of points totally valid points about foreign policy but not necessarily really running with a real strategy or an organization to actually obtain the democratic nomination. >> what you said is true but what i do have is a candidate with a 30-year record of high ethical integrity and good performance in moments of pressure. as a mayor, senator and governor. i led rhode island out of the recession. >> without those things, how are you going to be the democratic nominee. >> because it's june and the first votes are cast in late
january in iowa. that's a long way away. time to put together the fund raising and organization. it is important. i've run for office 12 different times, i know what it takes. >> specifics on iraq. you asked the question you said you would ask the question tell me how this ends and you would have had a different approach. you're in charge now and this is the situation we're in, tell me how this ends. >> we conduct ourselves differently from the muscular unilateral neocon approach to the world. >> what is it? >> we're going to become good lit listeners and listen to the europeans and egyptians and israelis and saudis and turks and russians -- >> and do what with that? >> come together and figure out how we're going to resolve this. there are no easy answers. that's why i voted against it i knew there would be no easy answers once we got into this quagmire. >> isn't it more than listening?
isn't it leading? you could listen to all of those players for years. how do we get out of this? how do we clean this up? how do we stop sending troops over there and trainers over there? what's the strategy you would put in place? >> it's a difficult one, that's why i said voted against the war -- >> would you negotiate with isis and iran rights now? >> i'll give john kerry credit he is negotiating with iranians and he's different from secretary clinton. it's a new page in our diplomacy. and he's over there meeting with putin in sochi, that's different rather than i think secretary clinton compared him to hitler. that's not how you improve things in the world when you compare a world leader that we need going forward to hitler. and the mistake with the -- instead of the right russian word. these are symbolic things that add up.
>> would you -- i'm -- i still don't understand what the strategy would be if you're moving forwards right now, you're listening or john kerry doing a good job is not an answer. >> i told you and i will say it again, less unilateralism and more internationalism. that's my answer. we'll have to do this cooperatively. it's not gobing to easy. we going to need the jordanians and saudis and egyptians. they are not happy with us because we went in with false pretensions. there weren't weapons of mass destruction and now we have repair work to be done. >> already presidential candidate candidate lincoln chafee good luck to you. the economist looks at the jobs of tomorrow already being done today. their editor in chief joins us ahead. plus michelle obama's touching tribute to a murdered teen at what would have been her high school graduation. we'll be right back.
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maybe you have days when you feel more tired than someone your age should ever really feel. but graduates tonight, i want you to understand that every scar that you have is a reminder not just that you got hurt but that you survived. [ applause ] >> first lady michelle obama yesterday at what would have been the high school graduation of the chicago teenager who was shot and killed in january of 2013 just days after performing at the president's inauguration. pendleton was fatally shot at a park a mile from the obama's home. the first lady called hadea a blessing helping her classmates celebrate her life and preparing for next chapter in their own. really pretty powerful and good of her to go back. she's been keeping in touch with
the kids there. >> that was a very emotional and heart felt speech she gave. i didn't see the speech but i read the text of the speech. and clearly, a large part of it was ad libbed. >> she's been -- she's been feeling this one personally and taking action and staying in touch. when i saw she spoke there, i immediately knew it was probably an incredibly profound moment for everybody in that room. joining us now editor in chief of "the economist" the magazine is launching a new video initiative, economist films debuting this week. and here's a clip from one of the film drugs, war or store. take a look. >> the war on drugs really failed. what you see is no matter what you do the drugs gets to the u.s. the life of colombia has been really really difficult.
we have suffered so much violence. you have to look for the way out. you have to look for the solution. we know that just repression, just prohibition doesn't work. we know it for certain. we have lived that. >> and i want to know the concept behind this idea. it looks amazing. full length versions will go live on economist films -- >> this evening, countdown. >> i love it. >> the concept is breaking out a little bit on multimedia. >> the concept is to reinterpret what the economist is all about in the moving image. >> zeni took over the economist just recently. >> it was underway before i took over but it's an exciting initiative. it's not just adding video to what we're doing but reinterpreting the global view analytical approach and doing it in video form.
the clip you just showed is from the first of a series called global compass taking big global policy questions and in this case drug decriminalization and looking at it from a global perspective and championing a solution. >> drone rangers. tell us about that. >> from a series called future works and going to look at the jobs of the future that are being done today. weaver looking at the kinds of jobs that will exist in the future but already exist today. this is civilian drone operators and we go to several continents and look what they are doing. future ones in the series people who build bionic limbs. it's the kind of thing i hope "the economist" is known for, looking forward tackling bold subjects and doing them with instetd of what i hope is good pros in the magazine but doing them in really good video and really good mini documentary form. >> mike? >> what are the length of films and frequency that they'll be? >> we're just starting. right now the first series are
going to be 10 to 15 minutes, mini documentary. but as we do other series we're open to all kinds of things. but that's the format right now. we think that's the perfect length to be able to really tackle a big issue and do it properly. i don't think you can do that in very short clips, but it's short enough that people will really -- a lot of people we hope will want to get to the end of it. >> how haves found you found the chal erveg of moving from a 170-year old. >> 1843. >> into the realm of video? >> the interesting thing, you've made this transition successfully. but a lot of people are trying initiatives in this area. the big thing of this approach we are not trying to ourselves, me make the videos. >> good idea. >> very good idea. >> but what we're trying -- >> they are friends, old friends. what we're trying to do is take what is special about "the economist" you know you used to work there, and translate it
into the moving image by getting -- every film has a journalist working with it. we're not writing a script or shooting. we have very good people who do that. we work together and it's rather than adding on to a print article with a bit of video, it's reinterpreting what the print article is trying to do in a different medium. >> biggest economic issue facing -- global economic issue? >> today. >> whether the world economy will grow fast enough or long enough so we hit the next recession we're in good shape to deal with it. >> zanny stay with us how women can spend more time with their kids and less time working and still be successful. keep it right here on "morning joe."
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♪ 51 past joining us now, best selling author laura van der cam, her new book, "i know how she does it." you do? tell us. >> for this book i wanted to look at the lives of women who seem to have it all. i studied women who make at least six figures and who still have children at home. i had them keep track of time for seven straight days and got 1,001 days and studly how much they work and what their lives are like. >> what did you find?
>> the good news they don't work around the clock. the average in my study was about 44 hours a week. that's more than 40. but it is not 80 hours either. >> that's interesting. first of all, just to get some perspective at the table here. mike's wife works full-time, travels and is like a major bank executive. zanny is the first female editor of "the economist" and you've got four kids. you've got four kids. >> i do. >> and you're a best selling author and yours are little. >> 8, 5, 3 and baby. >> i'm the mother of two and feel like i have more kids than all of you. i don't know what that says about -- i have teenagers. so do you. mike? >> i'm curious about you say women work less than we think, successful women work less than we think, 44 1/2 hours a week. what were their occupations? what industries? >> it was all over the map.
>> what is work? >> how re -- are you defining work? is checking your phone work. >> checking your e-mail can be work. women in all sorts of careers, many with sweatshop hours, accounting law, finance, medicine, many executives entrepreneurs and things like that. 44 hours is till a long workweek if you think about it. it doesn't count commute. it's a long workweek. >> saying only 44 is not -- how about the stress level, intensity of their jobs? >> all over the map. some people are very happy with their lives, some aren't. you didn't have to think your life was all wonderful to be included. perhaps life is not always as harried as we think it is. >> are you sure? >> women were getting enough sleep, the good news is. >> oh, my god. >> women who earn six figures and -- >> who are these women? >> it was 54 hours a week which
is very close to eight hours per day. >> this is nonfiction, correct? >> this is nonfiction i promise you, not a novel. it's a hope to change the conversation about women and work and life. >> i have something to learn, i need to read this book. >> please do here's a copy. >> are there lots of them? i don't understand. >> 1,001 days hopefully we got a big picture of what life looks like for women with careers and families. >> what's the biggest challenge been for you stepping into a leadership role like the one you have? >> that's a really good question. in this perspective in terms of home/life balance. there were -- my day is much more scheduled. i don't know whether you people you interviewed had this it's incredibly scheduled. a lot of things i used to do reading that gets me prepare and things i'm doing before or afterwards, travel, there's quite a lot of that. that's tough on the family. then there's the uncertainty in
life. that's why i asked about the e-mail thing. i find myself checking things a lot. >> has your family taken a hit a little bit? >> my family has -- we only moved to london last year. so they had -- my kids had the double transition of moving -- >> it's hard. >> then suddenly i'm no longer there very much my husband has been fantastic. i don't know how much this is in your book but it's completely central. they are having a good time but it's -- >> it's a sacrifice for everybody. >> supportive partner makes a lot possible. >> mike, are you a supportive partner? >> i'm the principle supportive partner in america. >> i hear the guy waking up his kids during commercial breaks it's time to wake up. he does all of that. i know how she does it thank you very much. i'm reading it. i'm really reading it. what if anything did we learn today up next.
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